Personalized (Genetic-based) Nutrition

Brad Cooper

Welcome to the latest episode of the Catalyst Health, and Wellness Coaching Podcast. My name is Brad Cooper, and I’ll be your host. And today’s episode features a guest that I’ve been following on Twitter for a long time. And we’ll talk about that a little bit. She is a spark plug. She’s an all star folks. You’re not gonna wanna miss this one. Dr. Nanci Guest is a registered dietician, certified personal trainer and certified strength and conditioning specialist. She recently completed her PhD research on the effects of gene nutrient interactions on athletic performance at the university of Toronto, Dr. Guests is a global consultant to professional and amateur athletes and teams. She was the head dietician at both the Vancouver, 2010 Olympics, her hometown and the Toronto 2015 Panam games and has been a consultant to various international and Canadian athletes leading up to the last four Olympics. You heard that right? The last four Olympic games. She’s worked with members of the NHL, NBA, CFL women’s national field hockey and ice hockey teams, world junior hockey teams, as well as UFC fighters, boxers open water divers pentathlete equestrians Ironman triathletes, ultra endurance, cyclists, tennis players, skaters, swimmers, runners, gymnasts, soccer, and rugby players. Dr. Guests works as a consultant and scientific advisory board member for Nutrogenomix a genetic testing company based in Toronto that focuses on the areas of research and development and dietetic education. You’re going to love this one, so much information. Just a reminder, you can access all kinds of different resources at CatalystCoachingInstitute.com. If you have any questions for us about your career, where you’re heading things about the coaching retreat up in the Rocky mountains, this fall that’s going on, you can email us anytime Results@CatalystCoachingInstitute.com. We’re here for you. Now on with the latest episode of the Catalyst Health and Wellness Coaching Podcast.

Brad Cooper

Dr. Guest, it is definitely a pleasure to have you join us today. Thank you so much. I’ve been following you on Twitter for a while. You’re not only educational. You’re also entertaining. So if anybody’s missing you on Twitter, why don’t you throw your Twitter handle out real quick, so they can jump on board with that immediately.

Dr. Guest

Sure. Well thanks so much, Brad. And thanks for having me. So I’m Nanci with an i, last name is guest like hotel guests, RD and PhD. And yes, I am active on Twitter and I like to start some discussion conversations and share information.

Brad Cooper

Everybody, if you’re on Twitter, you’re going to, you’re going to love following Nancy. It is entertaining, but it’s also got great stuff. Dr. Guest, you have a fascinating background. Our audience knows your bio from my introduction, but fill us in on some of the gaps. And how’d you end up where you are today and some of the primary influencers along the way?

Dr. Guest

Let’s start at, uh, the beginning of my educational journey. Uh, it is interesting because I intended to be a large animal vet specializing in horses. Uh, pretty much since I was about 12 years old. And unfortunately there’s a lot to that type of work that doesn’t have a happy ending. And as it turns out, my, my extreme emotional sensitivity with animals, uh, got the best of me. And I, I just realized that this was gonna erode my soul. I just would not be able to do it as a career. And it was quite shocking because it was after my third year of taking my animal science degree. And I worked with my vet for a summer and just what she had to do with some of the horses. And she had to put down two horses that summer and I was having nightmares and it was really quite a shocker because I intended to, you know, to be a vet and to help animals, that was going to be my life’s mission. Uh, so I quite quickly had to change direction. And of course I was lost. I had no idea what I wanted to do. I floated a little bit, I finished my degree that was in agricultural science, majored in animal science, floated for a couple of years and tried to figure out what I wanted to do. I always loved science. And interestingly, at the same time as me searching for a new career path, I started turning into a gym rat. I joined a gym and I just really got into it. And I was one of those seven day a week. And I started looking up what to eat pre and post-workout. And I actually had just hired a personal trainer that I was going to meet with, uh, about a week or two later. And I had a friend that came in one night and it was a Sunday night. And we’re talking about what we did on the weekend. And he said, well, I just took a personal trainer certification course. And right then and there, I thought, that’s what I want to do. And I envisioned a whole business nutrition training, mind, body balance. And I really never looked back and I signed up for training courses the next day. And that started a whole sort of snowball of going back to school, learning nutrition, doing a master’s degree in nutrition, getting my registered dietician designation. And I think it’s important that you stick to what, what you’re an expert in and what your education background is tailored to.

Brad Cooper

Yeah, scope of practice. Absolutely.

Dr. Guest

For sure. Everyone has a very strong opinion on politics, religion, and nutrition. And I really don’t know if there’s anything else that people feel so strongly about, uh, in the health field. And I think nutrition’s personal because it’s what you eat. And that’s something I learned along the way. I have be careful. I can’t go in and destroy someone’s beliefs about what they think is good for their body and what they’re eating every day. I have to tread lightly and that I had to learn the hard way. I just found that people weren’t listening, you need to get that buy-in, I’m a sensitive person. And I could see that they sometimes they felt a little, um, offended. And I sort of had to learn that, that people, a compassionate approach, uh, the human to human connection and soften up on some of the information. I’ll just add just some of my early influencers. Do you know who Peter Twist is?

Brad Cooper

I don’t.

Dr. Guest

He is one of was one of the very first strength and conditioning coaches in the NHL. And he worked with the Vancouver hockey team. And this is at the time when I joined in and I was doing some nutrition, some teamwork with the team, but he was very inspirational because he was one of the first who was really about training movement, not just training muscles. And he was one of those pioneers who emptied out the gym and filled it with medicine balls and dumbbells and rubber bands and all kinds of pulleys and crazy things, no machines. And it was about training movement or the athlete. And I’ll, I’ll always remember sort of my first real understanding of the importance where he would have you stand there and put your hands out, uh, out to stop anyone from pushing you over and you push on your hand. And of course, most people collapse within their core. And he said, okay, fix your core. Now, tighten your core. And then when he pushed on your hand, of course you were solid. He was talking about the importance of having that strength when you’re in a standing position. So just because an athlete can bench 300 pounds, if they’re standing and they can’t withstand 30 pounds coming at them that matters in hockey and football. And, uh, so that’s where he would train the connect, train their chest muscles. Instead of doing bench press, they were using hockey sticks and he would get two players to push another player backwards. And this player had to basically do chest presses in a standing position while walking on the hockey stick. So this is very innovative and, and this was really the, the start of the functional training and the athlete training that I was exposed to.

Brad Cooper

That’s a good lead into the fad question. One of the things that we try to emphasize on this podcast is to help the coaches we’re in an industry that is ridiculously full of fads. So we we’re trying to help coaches avoid the fads. They focus on evidence-based practices. Are there a couple of fads that you’re seeing out there now in the area of nutrition that you could help provide kind of a research based perspective for the listeners to help them avoid that? Just following the headlines?

Dr. Guest

Yeah. That’s a loaded question, especially in this day and age where we have so many fad diets out there. Uh, I think, yeah, it’s frustrating. And as you can imagine for me, it’s about putting out fires every day and I used to try and get out there and use up all my energy to educate people and correct people. And now I realize you really have to wait for people to come to you who want the knowledge, because trying to change someone’s mind is really near impossible. And I find that the diet culture currently is we have deniers out there rather than skeptics and this in most of the health fields. And what I mean by that is that a skeptic will, they’re still not quite convinced, but they’re open to seeing evidence. And you’re able to change a skeptic’s mind if you provide them with solid facts and provide them with some evidence, a denier on the other hand is just going to deny whatever you say and be an opposition, no matter what evidence you present to them. And that’s very problematic. And especially in the world of science, where a lot of these people who are outside the box tend to have the greatest followings. And I tell you, if you can come up with the most ridiculous far-fetched and even dangerous diet, that’s really, what’s going to make you rich and sell books and is if you’re a pioneer. And so I think rather than looking for the new, next thing all the time, same with training fancy equipment, I mean, stick to basics and common sense and nothing should be extreme. And so a lot of the diets right now that scare me, they’re very extreme where you’re having 90% of one nutrient and 10% is left for the rest, you know, that type of thing. So bring it back, uh, back to balance. And, and a lot of the times it is what was, what were our grandparents eating? Some things of course we could do better with, and as our life expectancy extends.

Dr. Guest

I also consider that, look at the places in the world, like the blue zones, the people that are living the longest, what are they eating? We now have many of these. And I think, uh, um, you really have to put the time in and keep your mind open. And, uh, so, and also don’t, don’t jump up, jump to jump on board too soon, you know, take your time and make sure, especially if you’re working with clients, if you want to do some experimental approaches with yourself and your own body, that’s one thing, but don’t start preaching. And especially on social media, you have a responsibility if you’re an influencer. And I think you should be very cautious. You know, things like supplements, some people will think more is better and, and, uh, we have to be very careful or if a high protein diet is good for you, uh, you know, a very, very high protein or high fat diets, good for you. Why do you need to eat anything else at all? Just eat it entirely. People can take things to extremes and we do see that, of course. So I don’t want to pick on any particular diet, but of course there’s some obvious ones. And I think keto, we have to be cautious with and in a clinical setting. Absolutely. But do you actually have to be keto or can you just go low carb? And what population is this with? I work with athletes and very few athletes can, can be on a sustained low carb diet. We have to periodize the carbohydrates and it goes up and down with your training and with your needs, contrary to popular belief as a dietician or someone working with athletes, we do not preach and promote high carb diets on some occasions like on a competition day or a race day. Of course, it’s a high intake of carbohydrates. That’s the fuel we’re going to use, but we certainly aren’t day to day telling people, telling athletes, they need to have 70% of their diet come from carbohydrates. You know, it goes up and down and, uh, on rest days, of course you don’t need that amount of fuel. We have to look into the details. Nothing is straightforward and everything has context. And I think that that’s important to consider. And again, who’s the individual you’re working with? Are you talking about in general or one individual? And of course that’s what I’m about, right? The individualization personalization.

Brad Cooper

Very good, surprises. What are some of the biggest surprises you’ve encountered in your, either in your research or in your work with clients? Anything that you went into it thinking this and came out of it saying oh, interesting.

Dr. Guest

Long before I was studying genetic variation and the influence of our genes on how we respond differently to the environment. I think we wanted to pigeonhole everyone or I did, and I was one to give out generic diets. And actually I’m embarrassed to think, you know, 16, 18 years ago that I had a diet plan that was just, this is for a male athlete for female athletes. I mean, there wasn’t much personalization. I was surprised to see how much individual response and individual food preferences and goals, how much that matters and how that can really, how that needs to be considered as it really influences the outcomes. And of course, again, being a gym rat, like I said, I was at the gym all the time and just seeing how people responded so differently in the gym as well. And I think we, we just sort of thought we knew the best approach, or I thought I knew the best approach. And I wanted to just replicate that. And I had a tendency to have this cookie cutter approach in my training recommendations as well as nutrition. And so it was surprising to me when things work so well for one person, but didn’t at all for another. And now I know why. And then I guess another one that I think is great for coaches to recognize is the emotional and behavioral considerations of people. I had tended to think, well, I’m an authority on this topic. And when I tell an athlete, this is what they should do. They’re going to listen. That is not the case. Yeah, you need buy-in. And so I would, the next time look at their diet and think these are all the foods I told you, you shouldn’t be eating. And I just thought that I had these expectations that they would be as motivated and as passionate and about it as, as I was. Uh, but that, that isn’t the case. Um, you need to be good at reading emotions.

Dr. Guest

And I had this happen just, uh, with an athlete that was going to the, uh, Olympics. And she was not buying what I was saying. And I could tell just by a bit of body language and her facial expressions, and I had to pry a bit and I said, you don’t think this is the right thing to be consuming or the right thing to do. And, and why is that? Let’s talk about it. I’m not, I’m not here to judge you or to be let’s, we’re, we’re a team we’re working together to make sure that you’re eating the best. So you can optimize your performance. I mean, heck you’re going to the Olympics, you and I need to be on, on the same side. And we’re both working for you. And don’t assume, don’t assume because you, you sit down with a, with an athlete or with a client that they’re going to go home and implement everything. And I think it’s actually worthwhile to ask, is there something here that you don’t agree with? If so that’s okay. Let’s talk about it. And maybe they just needed a bit more information. Uh, cause often they’ll say, well, my coach said that’s not right. Or, and they, they have information for, from somewhere else that and someone they trust and believe in. And so, um, you need to have these discussions and also you need to communicate with other health professionals that are working with that individual because often everybody is going beyond their scope and there’s a lot of overlap and a lot of that overlap can be different information on the same topic. Right. So, yeah. So I think that’s important

Brad Cooper

That leads into the genetic side of things. Can you give us a brief version? You’ve done a lot of your research on the genetic side of wellbeing and performance. Can you give us a brief version of some of the key insights in that area that might be helpful in terms of the wellness coaches working with their clients or having conversations around that?

Dr. Guest

Absolutely. One strong thing to take home from, uh, what we research with genetics and genetic variation is one size does not fit all. And it doesn’t matter if it’s a rehab program. If it’s nutrition, if it’s training, if it’s stress management, we need to focus on what is best for the individual. And of course, uh, with, uh, Nutrogenomix, which is genetic testing for personalized nutrition, that is important as the initial guide. And so that is sort of my first step when I’m working with an athlete or another client, I want to be guided by what their DNA says is right for them. And the type of genetics that we’re working with it, our modifier genes, we’re not telling you this is your risk for cancer or obesity, or this is, these are all the genes you have that are associated with strengths or VO two max. Those are what we call complex traits. And those are not actionable. If I tell you, you have three genes that, that make you better than average to have a higher aerobic capacity than normal. How do you take action on that? Are you supposed to pick up another sport or are you supposed to go around and brag about it? Or what, what can you do with that information? So what I do is I provide actionable information. I look at, uh, a gene that shows that for transport or absorption of vitamin D or iron or the metabolism of caffeine is different in your body. And this is going to change your nutritional requirements. So everything in our body that happens is encoded by a gene, whether it’s a receptor, a transporter, an enzyme, these are all endogenous proteins, proteins within your body that have a function. And their function is determined and dictated by the gene that matches that certain protein. And when we have a variant in that gene, it means the activity is perhaps altered. And if it’s altered, this can change what you need to eat. That’s going to be best for your body. You’ll have an increased risk of an insufficiency or deficiency in a certain nutrient, perhaps it’s the way you respond to a high fat diet or a higher protein diet. Uh, so there’s all kinds of markers that we can read from a simple saliva sample to see, uh, how to best suit your needs when it comes to personalized nutrition.

Dr. Guest

One thing that’s important to get out is that we don’t have this same information yet as far as how you should train. And I know that most genetic tests out there that are telling you how to train and saying that you should do this much strength training, a high volume, low volume HIIT training, long endurance. We don’t have the science. We know that depending on your, your genotype or your own unique genes, that you will respond differently to any type of fitness intervention. But right now we don’t know what to do with that information. So to give guidelines or exercise prescription right now is not, evidence-based certainly within the next decade, this’ll be a valuable tool to coaches. I’m one of those I would love to tell people I had the information to tell them how to train better. It we’re not there yet. And so it bothers me because this sets a gray cloud, a dark cloud on my field Nutrogenomix as well, because every Nutrogenomix test out there is also testing all these fitness genes and telling you how to train. So we don’t know enough yet and I, and I’m privileged to know some of the world’s the leading researchers in the world, looking at genomics and training. And they tell me it’s three, four years before we can actually start giving actionable advice where you could take this advice, go to the gym and start to train. Uh, according to your DNA, basically.

Brad Cooper

Okay so if that comes up for the coaches, they’re talking to a client and they say, Hey, I just did this, blah, blah, blah. What you’re saying is if it has to do with training regimens, it’s not ready yet. It’s three to four years out.

Dr. Guest

That’s right. Absolutely

Brad Cooper

Nutritional pieces. There is some legitimacy to that.

Dr. Guest

Absolutely. The nutrition is more black and white because we’re often looking at one pathway and the change of one pathway. If we’re looking how to build muscle or build strength, there are thousands of genes that are playing a role in that. Yeah. So we did, and I, when I do lectures, which I do all the time, I say, I show a picture of a coach training and athletes spotting squats. And I say, your coach knows far more about how you should train and what you need than any genetic test out there guaranteed. Right. So, and that that’s important to know, but when it’s ready, I’m ready to share it. That’s for sure. I’m excited.

Brad Cooper

So in terms of elite athletes, you work with a lot of them. What are some of the lessons you’ve garnered from your work with them that, keep in mind, some of our coaches do work with elite athletes or high level executives, but a lot of the folks they work with are everyday folks trying to make their lives just a little bit better. Are there some lessons that you could garner from the work you’ve done with the elite athletes that the coaches could apply to their work with folks that are more kind of the middle of the bell curve, if you will.

Dr. Guest

Sure. Yeah. Something that comes to mind is making sure you tell your client or your athletes to really decide what they want. What is your goal and how badly do you want it? So that’s often what I tell young athletes that maybe aren’t committed to getting serious about nutrition or training or whatever it is. Uh, but I, I say to them, look, you know what? I have the science, I have the path for you. I have the knowledge that you need, but you have to walk that path. I can’t follow you around and make you do it. Uh, you have to be the one to implement it. And I can only guarantee my work if you guarantee you’ll do it. And I, there’s a pretty high success rate with clients that adhere to the recommendations, but it’s that adherence or changing their behaviors that’s often the biggest hurdle. So I, I try and, and I think any, and if you’re doing coaching, you know, this, you have to be inspirational and you have to have that, that psychological, emotional angle. It’s not just dissemination of information. And I think the best nutrition, coaches, training, coaches, whatever you’re coaching, um, you have to tap in to that component and have your clients feel excited and motivated. And that’s how I tend to talk to people who haven’t really thought about where they want to go necessarily, or how bad they want it. And I also say, you know, you’re doing this, but I guarantee you, there’s an athlete, there’s another athlete that you’re going to compete against. Who’s doing far more than you. They’re sleeping better. They’re not going out for the beers and smoking the marijuana. They’re not, you know, eating junk after their training, they’re having a proper meal, whatever it is, they’re doing a little bit more work than you. And why don’t you be that person? When you go into competition, somebody has to win the race. Why can’t it be you? And if you want it to be, you let’s do everything in your power and in my power to make that happen. And if you want it, I can get you there.

Dr. Guest

And I actually have a good, quick story of a fellow that signed up for personal training at a, at a gym I work out of. And, uh, he’s about 65. He’s a retired bus driver, real character. I saw him a couple of times a week and, uh, over about, uh, eight to 10 months, he lost 60 pounds. And I, you know, he had just never really done any workouts. He never really thought about his diet, but you know why he was so successful. I mean, every week he was down a pound or two on the scale, he was, he basically had linear success, which we rarely see he’d have a couple of small plateaus, but I mean, I think it was, we were under 10 months and he had lost 60 pounds and he, his body composition was, had entirely changed. He basically started out with no muscle, sort of one of those overweight bones and fat basically. So he was way stronger, a completely different physique. I was even shocked. I just could not believe how successful he was. And you know, what the secret was. He did exactly what I said. He just, he says, you write out for me what I need to do and I’m going to do it. So on the days off, I told him, you have to come and walk on the treadmill at this speed for 45 minutes. And he was just one of those people. He really didn’t have, he was a single, uh, he didn’t have much going on in his life and he just committed. He completely committed and did exactly what I said. And you know what happened? He had fabulous results. I still touch base with him sometime. This is about five or six years ago now, but it’s such a happy story, you know?

Brad Cooper

Well, and that’s the, the coaches, the ones that are already certified coaches that are listening to this are thinking, yeah, I that’s, that’s my skill set. They’re, they’re the good ones. Not at, at providing the information that, as you said, does not necessarily translate to application, but drawing out of that individual client, what matters most to you? Why does it matter so much? And where do you want to be? Not where do I want you to be, but where do you want to be down the road? And obviously you got a great client there with that, gentlemen. Very cool. Let’s, let’s flip the mirror to you. How about your own health and wellness? Do you mind pulling the curtain back a little bit, telling us about an area in your life, any of those categories, stress, life, balance, exercise, nutrition, anything that you wouldn’t mind sharing, some of your struggles and what you’re currently doing with those things?

Dr. Guest

Funny. I always say, and I don’t know how many years it is now. I guess we’re going on about 20 years, it’s been about 20 years that I’ve been trying to do yoga whenever it became popular. I thought, wow, yoga is amazing. That is definitely something I need the mind, body connection, slowing down, doing the breathing exercises. And it appeals to me the concept, but I think I’ve been to three yoga classes. Uh, I got antsy during all of them. And I just, I find that it’s difficult for me to slow down and to do that type of work. It doesn’t feel like it’s being productive enough. And that’s exactly what I need. And people like me that are type A’s, uh, I’m, self-employed, I’ve, I’ve done a lot on my own as a single person. I find that the things I need most are things I’m not putting the time in living in the present. I still have this discursive mind and, and this, this attitude as well, that I’ll be happy when I get this done or things will be okay, I’ll relax when I do this and that. And then I’ll take time for myself. And it’s very important to not do that because I found that years go by and years have gone by where I’ve, I’ve met the goal where I thought, then I’ll be happy, then I’ll relax. And it doesn’t happen. You have to incorporate sooner rather than later, even just reading a book for pleasure. I, I find the pressure that I need to read another manuscript or, or read the background for a paper that I’m writing or, or so I think it’s also important that, uh, sometimes I can let too much time go by without nourishing friendships or, uh, those with loved ones. And I’ve had a couple of cousins that are back in DC that wanted to come and stay with me. And I just was always so busy and I thought, Oh, I can’t take five days and entertain someone. And I thought, you know that’s mean? I should be having my, my relatives come out and stay anytime and I should make the time, you know, family’s important. And of course the years go by and it is important.

Dr. Guest

And just one other tip, and I read a really good book years ago. It was, it was a relationship book I believe, but it had some really great things about just self-improvement being a better person. And it asked you, how would you want to be identified? Uh, what are the attributes that if someone described you, what would you want them to say, Oh, she’s compassionate and she’s loving and she’s sensitive and she’s intelligent. And then, you know, make that list and then ask yourself, are you living up to all of those characteristics that you just described is that you, and for those that you’re not living up to, how can you make changes to be that person that you would want to be described as that’s a really important reminder for me that I, that I look to and I think am I being kind right now, I would want to be described as being a kind person, a good listener. And I asked myself, have I been a good listener lately? And so that type of thing, a lot of that, that reflection and that doesn’t take a lot of time, I do it on my walk, my dog walks or also my meditation. So nevermind sitting down cross-legged I have to do mine walking. My mindfulness and my meditation are always in, in the trees, right. Trying to get into the green space. And that’s, that’s something that helps me, even though we’ll have to incorporate some of the slower things eventually.

Brad Cooper

Nice, nice. A lot of those resonate personally, and I’m sure a lot of the folks listening are feeling the same way, that kind of type AAA, if you will. Dr. Guest, last question. Any final words of wisdom for either current or future health and wellness coaches, who they want to have the biggest possible impact on the lives of their clients and, and especially since your specialty is in nutrition, maybe focusing on that path?

Dr. Guest

Sure. Because my research is focused on personalization of nutrition and looking at the individual. I think this fits into all categories of health. And as far as nutrition goes, of course, I emphasize the guidance of, of knowing your genetic profile and, and designing the diet to begin with based on that. But there are so many levels of personalization, things we might not think about a lot of our young athletes or older athletes for that matter. Uh, amateur athletes are, they don’t have a lot of funding and they don’t have a large food budget and I have to consider what recommendations I’m providing them. So that’s a level of personalization. Also, what are their food preferences or sensitivities, or what foods are they nervous about that maybe we have to introduce it, or if I need to nudge them to be a bit more adventurous, there, there are many aspects to, and there are many things in our environment that impact our decisions around what to eat, when to eat, how much to eat. And I think it’s a, well-worth a coach’s time or a nutritionist time to really delve into all of that with an individual. And that’s really going to bring you a lot of success. And I think prying a bit more than people are comfortable with because asking more questions and listening is a skill that we tend to not be as good at as we should be. We want to do all the talking because we’re the one with the knowledge, but you can, you can actually access so much more information to ask lots of questions and, uh, to, to receive the information that again, will help you treat that individual to your best abilities.

Brad Cooper

Very good, great advice, Dr. Guest, thank you so much for joining us today. Very much appreciated. And again, everybody, if you’re not following on Twitter yet, get on there. Great stuff. Thanks again.

Dr. Guest

Thanks Brad. Thanks for having me, have a great day.

Brad Cooper

She brought a lot to the table. Great stuff, Dr. Guest. And we talked about Twitter a couple of times. She is at NanciGuestRDPhD, Nanci Guest RD PhD. And if you want to follow me, I also post a lot on human performance and all the aspects around that. And you can find me at Catalyst2Thrive. So at catalyst two thrive, and happy to follow you back on that as well. One comment that she made that I just loved, and I just want to drive it home. It was kind of funny, but she made her point in a pretty powerful way. And that was when she said, if you can come up with the most ridiculous diet possible, it’ll probably catch, catch some fire, probably get going. Like, think about that folks. That’s what you’re dealing with everyday as a health and wellness coach is all these crazy diets out there. Don’t fall for it. We’re evidence based coaches. We’re better than that. One quick highlight. When we post this episode, the early deadline for the retreat, this fall, the coaching retreat, it’s going to be just about here. So if that’s something you’ve looked at, we’ve created a huge discount for the early registrants. Don’t miss that. If that’s something you want to look into, you can find those details as well as a bunch of other stuff at CatalystCoachingInstitute.com, just click the retreat tab and you’ll find it on there. And seriously, if we can do anything for you, you’ve just got questions. You’re, you’re currently a coach and you’re not sure how to build your business. You’re you’re thinking about it, and you’re you just, you don’t know, does this really fit with your life? You’re a physical therapist or a clinician, and you’re wondering, how does this compliment your current clinical skills? That’s what we’re here for. We talk to folks every single day and have those conversations. So reach out to us anytime you’d like Results@CatalystCoachingInstitute.com. Until next time, remember we want to become our best self, but the road to that is our better self. Let’s keep helping those around us in all aspects, work toward that better self. Thanks for joining us. And I’ll look forward to speaking with you soon on the next episode of the Catalyst Health and Wellness Coaching Podcast.